The Grokster oral arguments on Tuesday morning gave us a glimpse into the minds of the Supreme Court Justices. The questions they asked showed that they clearly understood the big picture and the broad implications this case has on the future of innovation. This understanding is undoubtedly good for Grokster and the Justices’ questions made me quite optimistic as to the outcome of the case. Below, I’ll attempt to break down what each Justice is thinking based on the oral arguments. This analysis may give us a hint about the nature of the Court’s decision that will be released sometime in June or July.
As a disclaimer, I had an obscured view from the very last row of the Courtroom. It was sometimes difficult to tell which Justice was speaking from where I was situated and I could not see Justices Ginsburg or Souter at all. I’m using my own notes and my limited memory, which might possibly attribute statements with the wrong Justice, but I have tried to confirm each Justices’ views and questions using external reports of the same arguments.
In order of seniority:
Despite his health problems, Chief Justice Rehnquist presided over the case and asked only a few short clarifying questions. I couldn’t clearly decipher much of what he asked mainly due to his very raspy speech, a result of his throat surgery from thyroid cancer. He also momentarily left the Courtroom during the arguments on a number of occasions with the help of aides. Note that Rehnquist was a dissenter in the 5-4 Sony Betamax decision in 1984, which may put him loosely on the side of the entertainment industry.
Donald B. Verrilli Jr., the attorney representing MGM et al., presented the figure of 2.6 billion infringing files downloaded per month that represents 90% of all downloaded files. Justice Stevens recognized that this still amounts to millions of actual legitimate uses on peer-to-peer file sharing systems every day. I don’t recall him being very active in questioning Richard Taranto, the Grokster and Streamcast attorney, so I would expect the author of the 1984 Sony Betamax majority decision to lean towards protecting innovation and legitimate uses.
Justice O’Conner was the swing vote for the majority in the Sony Betamax ruling. During Tuesday’s arguments, she was very interested in getting a clear answer on what standard the industry was proposing. She asked many questions about the active inducement test, and grilled Acting Solicitor General Paul Clement on his interpretation of Sony. She wanted to know why Clement thought the 9th Circuit got it wrong, and Clement responded that there was only anecdotal evidence of non-infringing uses. Clement then surprisingly continued to suggest applying a majority use test, further clouding any clear standard proposed by the Petitioners. Based on Verrilli and Clement’s apparent confusion of what standard to use (adhering to “substantial non-infringing uses”, using the IEEE active inducement standard, or applying a majority use test), Justice O’Conner probably came away dissatisfied with the answers she got. In questioning Taranto, she wondered whether or not other past bad acts by Grokster will still be available for litigation in the lower courts after this trial. Taranto answered yes; this opens up the possibility that O’Conner might intend to establish a clarified rule generally, but in specific, leave further litigation of Grokster to the lower courts. It’s likely that Justice O’Conner will be instrumental in redefining the meaning of the Betamax precedent in the decision, or will even elect to establish an updated test for secondary liability.
Justice Scalia was one of the most active questioners during the session and in my opinion, he asked the toughest and most pressing questions. He was particularly uneasy about the effects on future innovation, asking Clement how many years a new technology should be given to mature before evaluating whether or not its innovators would be liable. Moreover, he wondered how an innovator would know at the time of invention whether or not he would be sued “out of the box.” He seemed unsatisfied with Verrilli’s claim that the iPod was a legal foregone conclusion with inherent non-infringing uses at the time of invention, while a technology such as Grokster was not. At the same time, he was disturbed by the issue of willful ignorance and commented that Grokster might have disabled the capability of obtaining specific knowledge solely to get around the Napster ruling. He also stated outright that the Court will not decide this case on stare decisis such that arguing “Grokster is just like Betamax” will not go very far for Respondants and that the Court will decide this case on independent grounds.
Justice Kennedy openly deplored the entertainment industry that it was unclear what test they were proposing from their submitted briefs. He was very concerned with the fact that Grokster relied on illegal activity as start-up capital for their business, and said that their business model “just seems wrong to me.” Taranto’s argument about looking only at current business practices and separating out past bad acts didn’t seem to satisfy him. Kennedy’s pointed questions about Grokster’s business model leads me to believe he won’t fall on the side of Grokster, but also will not easily accept the industry’s scattered arguments.
Justice Souter was sympathetic to “the guy in the garage” and like Justice Scalia, he wanted to know how inventors could be confident in advance that they wouldn’t subject to liability under the Petitioner’s standard. Grounded in reality, Justice Souter seemed confused as to why Verrilli thought the iPod was unquestionably legal but other technologies were not– and where this line should be drawn. He adeptly recognized many infringing uses of the iPod, that if music could be acquired for free, people would do just that to fill their iPods. On that other hand, he hypothetically applied in the active inducement standard in questioning prior bad acts, saying that inducing customers on Monday through Thursday would effect the sales of a product sold on Friday. He seemed unsettled about the potential of willful ignorance by Grokster and only received a narrow answer from Taranto (that willful ignorance implies having specific information, which Grokster did not, and ignoring this information.) Justice Souter was also involved in trying to decipher a clearer standard and wondered if Petitioners were trying to impose some sort of “flexible rightness” doctrine.
Apparently, Justice Thomas never asks any questions in court, and this day was no different. Often lounging back in his chair and looking generally unengaged, it’s impossible to tell what he is thinking. I could not find any external information about his general stance on technology, but I would assume he is relatively well-versed in understanding technological issues as the youngest Justice on the Bench.
Justice Ginsburg was irked by Taranto’s suggestion that Sony is a bright line rule that has protected innovation and should not be altered. She claimed that the Sony rule was really not all that clear, as the Court writing the majority decision would have stopped after the rule but instead continued on for 13 more pages. Like O’Conner, she seemed primarily interested in finding the proper balance by clarifying the standard set out by Sony. She also worried about giving technologies a free pass and an economic incentive to maximize infringement, as Verrilli argued.
Justice Breyer dropped some very tough questions on Verrilli, asking him how peer-to-peer technologies were really any different from the iPod, the Gutenberg press and the Xerox copy machine. He claimed that these past technologies were undoubtedly good for society, and that the Betamax standard has served innovation well for the past 21 years. He also understood that technologies, such as the Xerox, had many foreseeable infringing uses at the time of invention and that the industry’s proposed standard might stunt innovators lest they be sued. In addition, Justice Breyer asked Taranto about his interpretation of the Sony precedent and the difference between the system’s capabilities and its actual uses.
In all, Justices Scalia, Souter and Breyer were all squarely concerned about the impact on new inventors and future innovation, while Justices O’Conner, Ginsburg and Kennedy were most interested in the interpretation of Sony and the merits of the other proposed tests. It was difficult to glean the stance of Justices Rehnquist, Stevens and Thomas from the oral arguments alone.
My best guess is that the Court will not issue a decision that drastically hurts future technological innovation in general. It was comforting to hear that more than a few Justices recognized possible problems that future innovators would face if they reverse the 9th Circuit based on the existing Betamax doctrine. I believe that the Court will attempt to clarify the existing Betamax doctrine or will adopt a new test altogether that incorporates some conception of intent or inducement. I also presume that the Court will not issue a decision that gives companies, with Grokster-like business models, a free pass to induce infringement. The Grokster decision might very well turn out to be the landmark decision for the upcoming era of technological innovation and I am relieved that the Justices seem to fully grasp the issues important from an innovator’s point of view.